Pledge of Allegiance Controversy

Two words (under God) within the Pledge of Allegiance has managed to spark a massive controversy in the United States of America.

One group believes those words should be included to prove we are a Christian based nation and this will cause us to be blessed by God.

Another group thinks the words should not be included, because we are a diverse nation.  There are many religions represented in America.  There are also agnostics and atheists in our country.  Removing those two words would support that diversity.

I think the “under God” argument distracts us from a bigger problem.

Why don’t we take time to focus on what else is written within that pledge?  Why don’t we stop fighting over two words and start working toward building a united nation (one nation)?  Why don’t we spend more time ensuring liberty and justice for all citizens?

When a poor person spends years in prison for a non-violent crime (drug possession for example) and a rich person is allowed to walk free after spending a couple months in prison for a violent crime (rape for example), the entire pledge seems meaningless.

We could keep fighting over those two words or we could work together to create the ideals represented within that pledge.

 

52 thoughts on “Pledge of Allegiance Controversy

  1. Great thoughts Lynn. I am weary of people in this country trying to shred and rip God out of America at any chance. They don’t se or just don’t care that the devil is involved behind the scene.

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  2. We focus on divisiveness, and the current bandwagon seems to be conservative Christian against everyone else. You are spot on, there are more critical issues to be focused on. I’m pretty sure God is shaking his head at our pettiness.

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      • Then why the capital letter and not a small ”g”.?

        In fact, why not simply remove the words entirely, Carol?
        After all, they weren’t always there were they?

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      • And for what it’s worth, I do not believe in gods. Would I be exempt from reciting the pledge if I were American?
        Would I be shown equal respect for not saying it?

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      • Saying the pledge should always be a matter of individual choice, I believe. And you should be respected as a person, whatever your beliefs. My original comment was not taking a position on what should be in the pledge, but more a comment on how society gets on these tangents and what creates a ruckus today is not what will create a ruckus in the future.

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      • Agreed.
        If it was up to you, would you remove the offending words or leave them in?

        Also, I’m curious; as I do not live in the States, are those who refuse to say the pledge because of the erroneous words, ”under God” generally afforded such respect or are they often vilified as being unpatriotic? ( among other things?)

        How are kids ( as a general rule) treated in school by fellow pupils and teachers – especially in the more conservative religious states such as Texas or Alabama – if they refuse to say the pledge?
        Which is, of course, no indication of their lack of patriotism whatsoever but merely their lack of belief in the Christian god.

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      • Putting me on the spot, eh? I honestly do not have a strong opinion one way or the other. I see no problem with it being there – for those reciting the pledge the words can be ignored if they are more comfortable that way – or since they were not part of the original pledge, they could be removed without it being tied to religious beliefs, although in our time I doubt many would accept that reasoning. I no longer have children in school, so I don’t know how kids react, but my guess is that it’s a bigger deal to adults than to the kids. I don’t recall thinking about the words when I was in school. Adverse reactions would likely be more adverse in those more conservative states.

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      • Not really putting you on the spot, Carol. 🙂
        But sometimes it helps to consider the other side of the -in this case- non christian coin.
        Those that don’t believe attach no personal importance/ relevance to such demonstrations of god worship any more than you would likely attach any personal importance to the story of Mohammed flying to heaven on a winged horse etc.
        Something you quite likely regard as patently absurd, I shouldn’t wonder?
        ( don’t answer that! 🙂 )

        However, you might just become a little peeved if you were subject to such devotionals on a regular basis. Maybe more so if it were your kids who were involved.

        Just a thought.

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      • You could very well be right – perhaps I would be offended. It all depends upon where you are in life, doesn’t it? There is still enough idealism in me to hope for the day we can all get along and respect others.

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      • I wanted to add one more thing, but my fingers sometimes do not listen. On the other hand, those with Christian beliefs – which I do have – probably get peeved when their beliefs are trod upon. Maybe that the argument for separation of church and government. Or asking if the pledge should be in schools at all, with or without those words. Do other countries have such a thing?

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  3. Lynn, YOU JUST PREACHED IT RIGHT HERE!

    “When a poor person spends years in prison for a non-violent crime (drug possession for example) and a rich person is allowed to walk free after spending a couple months in prison for a violent crime (rape for example), the entire pledge seems meaningless.”

    My sentiments, exactly!

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      • Building national unity often involves recognizing that what one person thinks is really important is different for others.

        The Native Americans, whom Christian (mostly European) settlers help slaughter by the millions in what is today recognised as one of the worst genocides in history do not regard your god as theirs ( other than those Native Americans who are descendants of those indoctrinated by missionaries)

        Neither do Muslims, Jainists, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews to a certain extent, and certainly not atheists, who have no belief in any gods.

        Not having any mention of your god, or anyone else’s for that matter, in no way undermines the pledge.

        Removing those words would immediately be a mark of respect to all non-Christians and demonstrate that a (your) nation is not defined by some form of recognition /worship of an invisible overlord.

        Something worth striving for, don’t you think so?

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  4. Ah, so true, Lynn. I don’t think it’s only in the US. Countries seem to have this in common with each other. People are “encouraged” to sweat the small stuff so that we can forget/overlook/ignore the big stuff that those in power are hiding from us.

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      • If , by small you saying that the word are insignificant then why not simply honour those whose god this does not represent and petition congress to have the words removed.

        If it means little or nothing to you, personally, ( and I am guessing many feel a similar lack of enthusiasm toward the words) then what is the apparent big deal with keeping them?

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      • Perhaps those who are offended by God and consider the two words big deal should then get together and petition to have them removed. I am happy where I am so I won’t be there. All the best.

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      • I am sure there are efforts afoot to push for this outcome.
        Maybe some of those include the descendants of the the millions of Native Americans that were slaughtered largely by Christian settlers of North America.
        Do you not have enough respect for those that share the continent but might not share the same god as you, Anne?

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      • I do, thus I leave them to think, say and do what they feel is right for them unlike those who are determined to eradicate the world of Christianity. Thank you for asking.I just wish those of us who believe otherwise will also be allowed to think, say and do what we feel is right for us. But perhaps fairness or respect has never been a forte of this earthly world and its inhabitants.

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      • Oh, the demise of Christianity is already happening. People are fleeing the churches- especially younger people- by their tens of thousands every year; and especially the more fundamentalist sects.
        It is not a matter of if any more but rather when.
        Not in our lifetimes for sure, but it will happen.Look at Northern Europe as an example. And the ”Nones” are apparently the fastest growing group in the US.

        You are allowed to do, say, and think what you feel is a right for you.
        This is the beauty of a secular democracy and religion should have absolutely no part or say whatsoever in how the country is governed; thus your constitution is one of the best n the world.
        However, by adding ”under God”- meaning the JudaeoChristian god, Yahweh – to the Pledge of Allegiance that freedom of belief has been compromised somewhat.

        Would it bother you that much if those words were removed from the Pledge?
        If not , then would you agree that it would be better for all citizens if the wording of Pledge of Allegiance returned to its former state, as a mark of respect to ALL USA citizens?

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